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		<title>Comment on Calhoun by Daniel C. Minette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel C. Minette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 16:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I think the idea that the social sciences needs to recognize that it doesn&#039;t work well as an intellectual exercise apart from human interaction is valid, the author displays a misunderstanding of fundamental science, and the difference between social sciences and science.  In particular, like almost every non-scientist I&#039;ve read or talked to, he mis-applies Kuhn.

Kuhn rightfully attacked the textbook version of science, discussing how anomolies exist in almost every area.  But, he misses a key point.  Since Kuhn was a physicist and concentrated on physics, and since I am a physicist, let me concentrate on physics also.  

The anomolies that exist in observation almost always go away after closer observation.  For example, there was an anomoly in the orbit of the moon for decades.  It was solved, not by replacing Newtonian mechanics, but by new techniques (Laplacian and Hamiltonian) that allowed for a more accurate depiction of Newtonian mechanics.

Given this, the burden on those who propose a scientific revolution is always rightfully high.  There have been thousands proposed, and only a handful of true revolutions.  And, when one occurs, the old theory has an honored place as a limit value case of the new theory.  Newtonian mechanics is a special case of special relativity, general relativity, and quantum mechanics.  Classical electromagnetics is a limit value case of quantum electrodyamics, which is a limit value case of electroweak.

Indeed, electroweak shows how quickly a theory can go from being laughed at to full acceptance.  In late &#039;73, early &#039;74 Shelly Glashow was nearly laughed off the stage when he proposed electroweak.  This theory predicted weak neutral currents, which were not found.  When asked why they weren&#039;t seen, Glashow said they were surpressed by a 4th quark....which was also not seen.  Now, I know this is specialized stuff, but what is critical is Glashow proposed a theory that required two seperate observables that had never been seen.  His main arguement for the theory was &quot;it is too elegant to be false.&quot;  He offered to eat his hat in a year if charm and weak neutral currents were not found.

Well, by late &#039;74, both were seen.  Electroweak, by the time I was a high energy physicist in &#039;77 was considered a very well validated theory and assumed to be true by the community.  By the time I received my Phd, it was called &quot;The Standard Model.&quot;

The reason for this is obvious, the data quickly and strongly showed Glashow to be right.  So, this was, virtually, an overnight revolution.  In the case of QM, it took longer to do this; the case wasn&#039;t as clear cut, etc.  But, the data forced the theory down everyone&#039;s throats.  Historical social context mattered not a whit...indeed one of the Nobel prize winners for the theory was from India, which has a quite different historical social contest than California or Mass.

So, in summary, what social scientists need to remember is they are not physics, and the numerical analysis they use is often far closer to mathamatical systems untied to data than true science.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I think the idea that the social sciences needs to recognize that it doesn&#8217;t work well as an intellectual exercise apart from human interaction is valid, the author displays a misunderstanding of fundamental science, and the difference between social sciences and science.  In particular, like almost every non-scientist I&#8217;ve read or talked to, he mis-applies Kuhn.</p>
<p>Kuhn rightfully attacked the textbook version of science, discussing how anomolies exist in almost every area.  But, he misses a key point.  Since Kuhn was a physicist and concentrated on physics, and since I am a physicist, let me concentrate on physics also.  </p>
<p>The anomolies that exist in observation almost always go away after closer observation.  For example, there was an anomoly in the orbit of the moon for decades.  It was solved, not by replacing Newtonian mechanics, but by new techniques (Laplacian and Hamiltonian) that allowed for a more accurate depiction of Newtonian mechanics.</p>
<p>Given this, the burden on those who propose a scientific revolution is always rightfully high.  There have been thousands proposed, and only a handful of true revolutions.  And, when one occurs, the old theory has an honored place as a limit value case of the new theory.  Newtonian mechanics is a special case of special relativity, general relativity, and quantum mechanics.  Classical electromagnetics is a limit value case of quantum electrodyamics, which is a limit value case of electroweak.</p>
<p>Indeed, electroweak shows how quickly a theory can go from being laughed at to full acceptance.  In late &#8216;73, early &#8216;74 Shelly Glashow was nearly laughed off the stage when he proposed electroweak.  This theory predicted weak neutral currents, which were not found.  When asked why they weren&#8217;t seen, Glashow said they were surpressed by a 4th quark&#8230;.which was also not seen.  Now, I know this is specialized stuff, but what is critical is Glashow proposed a theory that required two seperate observables that had never been seen.  His main arguement for the theory was &#8220;it is too elegant to be false.&#8221;  He offered to eat his hat in a year if charm and weak neutral currents were not found.</p>
<p>Well, by late &#8216;74, both were seen.  Electroweak, by the time I was a high energy physicist in &#8216;77 was considered a very well validated theory and assumed to be true by the community.  By the time I received my Phd, it was called &#8220;The Standard Model.&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason for this is obvious, the data quickly and strongly showed Glashow to be right.  So, this was, virtually, an overnight revolution.  In the case of QM, it took longer to do this; the case wasn&#8217;t as clear cut, etc.  But, the data forced the theory down everyone&#8217;s throats.  Historical social context mattered not a whit&#8230;indeed one of the Nobel prize winners for the theory was from India, which has a quite different historical social contest than California or Mass.</p>
<p>So, in summary, what social scientists need to remember is they are not physics, and the numerical analysis they use is often far closer to mathamatical systems untied to data than true science.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Jarausch by Gale Stokes</title>
		<link>http://publicsphere.ssrc.org/jarausch-people-power-explaining-1989/comment-page-1/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>Gale Stokes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 20:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have come over to the view that the events of 1989 can indeed be called revolutions, even though they were not violent game changers.  I now agree that characterizing them as such does not prevent us from seeing them in a different light when we look at their world historical significance.  In the southern hemisphere, for example, the end of the cold war could be seen as the end of a traditional kind of colonialism, while world wide it could be seen primarily as removing a roadblock to the fundamental changes associated with globalization.  Even in Europe, 1989 could be interpreted as one in a long series of moments in the evolution of the European Union, the most original political invention of modern times.  None of these actually conflict with calling 1989 a series of revolutions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have come over to the view that the events of 1989 can indeed be called revolutions, even though they were not violent game changers.  I now agree that characterizing them as such does not prevent us from seeing them in a different light when we look at their world historical significance.  In the southern hemisphere, for example, the end of the cold war could be seen as the end of a traditional kind of colonialism, while world wide it could be seen primarily as removing a roadblock to the fundamental changes associated with globalization.  Even in Europe, 1989 could be interpreted as one in a long series of moments in the evolution of the European Union, the most original political invention of modern times.  None of these actually conflict with calling 1989 a series of revolutions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Calhoun by Sue Doherty</title>
		<link>http://publicsphere.ssrc.org/calhoun-social-science-for-public-knowledge/comment-page-1/#comment-84</link>
		<dc:creator>Sue Doherty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An outstanding synthesis of the issues and questions to address to resolve the dearth of  publicly shared social science. Unengaged academia (including the entrenched staleness of publish or perish), and those &quot;others&quot; marginalized social scientist without access to a public role are at the heart of the problem. 

Social science research will be increasingly shared in the public sphere of new media, but not necessarily sufficiently nor by the most knowledgeable. To reach a critical mass at the public forum the messenger will undoubtedly need a humble and interdisciplinary stance.  But, most importantly, societal re-valuation must occur within institutions and government.  There are scores of social scientist awaiting support with grants or jobs for such research and engagement as you suggested. Going beyond books to communicating in rigorous debate and contributing to policy and matters more immediate will be opportunity enough. I can only hope that one day, not too far off, a job will be there for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An outstanding synthesis of the issues and questions to address to resolve the dearth of  publicly shared social science. Unengaged academia (including the entrenched staleness of publish or perish), and those &#8220;others&#8221; marginalized social scientist without access to a public role are at the heart of the problem. </p>
<p>Social science research will be increasingly shared in the public sphere of new media, but not necessarily sufficiently nor by the most knowledgeable. To reach a critical mass at the public forum the messenger will undoubtedly need a humble and interdisciplinary stance.  But, most importantly, societal re-valuation must occur within institutions and government.  There are scores of social scientist awaiting support with grants or jobs for such research and engagement as you suggested. Going beyond books to communicating in rigorous debate and contributing to policy and matters more immediate will be opportunity enough. I can only hope that one day, not too far off, a job will be there for me.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gans by Idea of the Day Blog - NYTimes.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Idea of the Day Blog - NYTimes.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &lt;em&gt;New York Times&lt;/em&gt; blog &lt;em&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://ideas.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/where-is-conservatism-in-academe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Idea of the Day&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt; lists Herbert Gans&#039; essay among the &lt;a href=&quot;http://ideas.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/where-is-conservatism-in-academe/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Must Reads From the Week in Review Staff&quot;&lt;/a&gt; [---ed.].</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The <em>New York Times</em> blog <em><a href="http://ideas.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/where-is-conservatism-in-academe/" rel="nofollow">Idea of the Day</a></em> lists Herbert Gans&#8217; essay among the <a href="http://ideas.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/where-is-conservatism-in-academe/" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Must Reads From the Week in Review Staff&#8221;</a> [---ed.].</p>
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		<title>Comment on Delli Carpini by Dr. Joan-Francesc Fondevila Gascón</title>
		<link>http://publicsphere.ssrc.org/delli-carpini-the-inherent-arbitrariness-of-the-news-versus-entertainment-distinction/comment-page-1/#comment-19</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Joan-Francesc Fondevila Gascón</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:38:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the distinction between news versus entertainment is necessary. In the digital journalism field, with the advent of blogs and forums, the hybridization of genres could generate a lack of consensus about genres and a wrong way for the readers. At the CECABLE (Cable Studies Center) we analyse the links among genres, journalism and broadband. The relation between contents (news &amp; entertainment) and broadband networks is a very interesting issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the distinction between news versus entertainment is necessary. In the digital journalism field, with the advent of blogs and forums, the hybridization of genres could generate a lack of consensus about genres and a wrong way for the readers. At the CECABLE (Cable Studies Center) we analyse the links among genres, journalism and broadband. The relation between contents (news &amp; entertainment) and broadband networks is a very interesting issue.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Iyengar/Curran by Chinnaswamy Pichaandy</title>
		<link>http://publicsphere.ssrc.org/iyengar-curran-media-systems-news-delivery-and-citizens-knowledge-of-current-affairs/comment-page-1/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Chinnaswamy Pichaandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 05:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a very interesting and critical essay on public information and responsible civic life. It really touches upon the pertinent questions such as suppression of vital information to function democratically and responsibly as against commercial considerations. Advertorials rather critical comments take media agenda inflicting sheer cosmetic edutainment contents that appeals to cheap emotions and down the line vulgarities. Even print media is not an exception. Public sphere needs setting a new media agenda and evolving a new set of cultural theories on the lines of citizens centric with a thrust on media watch dogging.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a very interesting and critical essay on public information and responsible civic life. It really touches upon the pertinent questions such as suppression of vital information to function democratically and responsibly as against commercial considerations. Advertorials rather critical comments take media agenda inflicting sheer cosmetic edutainment contents that appeals to cheap emotions and down the line vulgarities. Even print media is not an exception. Public sphere needs setting a new media agenda and evolving a new set of cultural theories on the lines of citizens centric with a thrust on media watch dogging.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Schudson by Herbert J Gans</title>
		<link>http://publicsphere.ssrc.org/schudson-a-family-of-public-spheres/comment-page-1/#comment-6</link>
		<dc:creator>Herbert J Gans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 12:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I continue to have trouble with identifying both the public sphere and the informed citizen and for two reasons. First, the boundaries of both are very fuzzy as well as class bound; both seem to be more relevant for the middle and upper middle classes (us) than for those less fortunate educationally and economically. 2nd, their connections to the polity are equally vague. Obviously, the polity requires a public sphere or else we would communicate via rumor and myth, but being informed is not a motive for the citizenry to participate in that polity. 

Also, what are citizens informed about and what do they need to be informed about? And do the news that most people attend to provide much more than headlines, excepting the coverage during election campaigns. 

If we are discussing ideals, fine - but social scientists also need to touch base with reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I continue to have trouble with identifying both the public sphere and the informed citizen and for two reasons. First, the boundaries of both are very fuzzy as well as class bound; both seem to be more relevant for the middle and upper middle classes (us) than for those less fortunate educationally and economically. 2nd, their connections to the polity are equally vague. Obviously, the polity requires a public sphere or else we would communicate via rumor and myth, but being informed is not a motive for the citizenry to participate in that polity. </p>
<p>Also, what are citizens informed about and what do they need to be informed about? And do the news that most people attend to provide much more than headlines, excepting the coverage during election campaigns. </p>
<p>If we are discussing ideals, fine &#8211; but social scientists also need to touch base with reality.</p>
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